Ivan Gazidis met reporters on Wednesday to discuss some of the key
issues at Arsenal Football Club. Here's a transcript of the Q&A.
Ivan, you have often argued that Arsenal should be judged by their performance over time?
Clearly
the club has been on quite a long journey from the early 2000s when we
could have been complacent about our position in the game and took some
really significant decisions to push the club forward. That was a very
ambitious step for the club and it involved a really bold move.
The
club knew in taking that step that it was going to have some challenges
along the way. I don't think anybody in the game anticipated the way
that salaries would explode over the course of that decade but
nevertheless, even in that environment, primarily through Arsène's good
judgement, the club has consistently remained at the top of the game.
The
overall journey that the club embarked on was to make it one of the
leading clubs in the world and to do it in a way that would be
sustainable. Not to do it for a moment in the sun but be able to count
ourselves in the ranks of the Manchester Uniteds, Barcelonas and Bayern
Munichs of this world over the next generation. That's a tremendously
difficult thing to envisage, let alone achieve.
Along the way the
environment became more difficult and I think Arsène has done an
absolutely masterful job within the constraints he has - we are a club
that is doing this on its own two feet without an outside benefactor -
to make really smart decisions over time. He hasn't got every one
correct but broadly fantastic decisions on players, the development on
the team, the need to keep the team competing at the top of the game.
We
have been in Europe for 15 straight years. We are ranked sixth in
Europe by UEFA - those things are taken for granted but they are
fantastic achievements through the process of building a stadium and
catapulting the club forward.
We are coming to the end of the
stadium journey now where some of the commercial deals that we tied into
the stadium move, which were fantastic deals for us because they
enabled us to get the stadium built, are coming up for renewal. We have
got the opportunity as a club to really catapult our revenues forward
again.
I am very conscious of the fact that it sometimes sounds
like I talk about Arsenal in terms of revenue streams and so on. Partly
that's because it's a big part of my job, but really all of this is
about football. It's about putting this football club at the top of the
football map and in the modern world, you have got to have the revenues
to be able to do that. This club has a really simple financial model. I
wouldn't call it a business model because it is not like any other
business I know or could imagine.
We generate revenue and we
reinvest all of that revenue in football. We don't pay dividends, the
money doesn't come out of the club. All of the money we make is made
available to our manager and he has done an unbelievable job in managing
that spend. When we evaluate how well we are doing, I think there are
three factors.
Firstly, whether we are able to compete
financially at the top of the game. That depends on the environment that
we are in which I believe has been somewhat irrational in terms of
player spending but is becoming more rational as the game wakes up and
demands regulation. We see that in FFP moving at a tremendous rate at
UEFA level, and also there is serious discussion happening at the
Premier League level domestically. Although there is a lot of scepticism
about those chances and we think they are very good for the sustainable
environment of the game.
The second element is how much the club
can generate within that environment. We try to be responsible in the
way we generate revenue but at the same time we look to grow it. As we
come to the end of these commercial deals, the opportunity to renew our
primary sponsorship deals at a significant increase which will propel us
forward as a club in terms of revenue. Revenue is important because,
especially under FFP, it determines how much ultimately you can spend on
players. Lastly, it is about how efficiently you spend the money. As I
have said, we don't take money out of the club.
It is all
available to spend on the football but you can waste money very quickly
in football and large amounts if you are not careful. We have a manager
who has got an outstanding record in making difficult football
judgements. It's not all about which players you sign in the transfer
market, although that is one element of it, but managing the football
club is far more complicated than that. There are many different factors
to it: efficient management of player contracts, good talent
identification, good talent development, succession planning, the
dynamic within the squad, the ability to create something between the
players that is more significant than the individual players themselves
which insulates you from individual player comings and goings.
All
of those elements are thought about extremely deeply in making our
contract decisions and those are ultimately decision that are made
within the overall financial constraints by Arsène on the basis of his
footballing judgement. While we can get into extensive debate about
individual decisions - and I would certainly say we don't make mistakes
because, like all clubs, we are not perfect in our judgement - the
ultimate arbiter of whether you are spending your money efficiently is a
very absolute hard judgement which is where did you finish in the
Premier League versus your overall spending.
It's far easier to
have your performance out-perform your spend for a couple of years
because you can make short term decisions that deliver a quick hit but
may not be sustainable.
It is far more difficult to out-perform
your spend on a consistent mid or long term basis and when you look at
what Arsène has done within the overall constraints, he has outperformed
our spending every single year he has been manager. It is an
extraordinary record and that's why the board have faith and trust in
Arsène and will continue to do so.
What is the projection on what commercial deals will do?
In
terms of the financial impact on the club, although it isn't
represented in concrete, it will be as significant a step forward for
the football club from a financial viewpoint as the stadium was in 2005.
It's a significant and dramatic football step.
Of every major
club, we have the most potential for growth in that area. Already, we
are ranked as fifth. I think Chelsea, because of the year they just had,
will leapfrog us for a year or so, but once that kicks in on a really
sustainable business, it kicks us into the top five clubs in the world
with separation from the rest. That's a fairly extraordinary thing.
Our
board gets much maligned along the way, but what they don't do is treat
the football club as a popularity contest. Everything they do is only
for the good of the club. And actually, the way this club has driven
itself forward from where it was is something I am slightly in awe of.
To be sitting at the top of the game in 2001-02 and make a decision like
they made. Let's imagine the two worlds. It's not pie in the sky - it
is going to happen.
We will be separated away as one of the top
five clubs in the world in revenue, versus had we stayed at Highbury and
we stayed with six or seven other clubs in the same ballpark position,
we would be in amongst them scrambling somewhere between mid to upper
table in financial terms.
That would be the financial constraints
he would be operating under. Even he might struggle in that situation.
We get accused of a lack of ambition or complacency because apparently
the board are only interested in the top four - that is absolute
rubbish. To me this is the most ambitious football club I know. To be
able to execute the vision is amazing to me.
Traditionally
managers and clubs are judged on silverware. We can debate as to
whether winning the FA Cup is more important than the top four. But is
Arsenal committed to trophies?
It's what we're
trying to do. We're trying to win. In fact, we try to do more than that,
we try to win with style. We have a certain way of playing football
that we take pride in.
So again, it's a high ambition. I know we
haven't achieved that in recent years. There's no-one at this football
club that doesn't feel the pain of not being able to do that in recent
years. But absolutely that's what we're trying to do and we want to do
it on a sustainable basis going forward. We're very optimistic about
this season, even through the loss of a player as important as Robin van
Persie.
We went through some major challenges last season and
yet still came near the top of the game. But it's not what we're aiming
to do. We're absolutely trying to win silverware and we're trying
desperately hard to do it this year.
Presumably having led you through that tough period, you want to see Arsène Wenger lead you through those good time as well?
It's
not a sense of sentimentalism, not a reward for our services, it's a
belief that we have an incredible manager who loves this club and is the
best man to lead us forward.
We're really confident about the
direction that the club is heading. We're coming through strongly and we
believe we're really well placed. We hope and believe that Arsène will
be a part of that as we move forward.
At the same time, as a
club, we have to make sure that all of the things that Arsène has
brought to the club are enshrined in our DNA to make sure that when the
day comes when Arsène decides it's time to hang up your boots - I don't
know what the expression is as a manager - that we are in a position to
take his ideas and work forward.
The values that Arsène has
brought to the club together that the values the club had before Arsène
are what will inform us - and I don't want to give any indication that
this is happening - and give us the framework as to who might take over
from him in the longer term.
He is written into our DNA. He's
incredibly fit, has played in some staff games recently. I've watched
him on the sidelines in his brogues and he doesn't look too good. But
when you put him out on the football field, he is still fit, quick and a
good footballer.
He is still fit, ready to go and enthusiastic
about the players we've got, particularly the younger players - and
often that's the thing that gets him most excited. Which, again, is
quite unusual.
It's fantastic to see his endless enthusiasm and I
really have learnt from Arsène, and players learn from him as well.
We're not dominated by fear and yet we live in an environment in
football where fear is really prevalent.
Players feel fear all
the time and yet actually Arsène never succumbs in his thinking about
players, his thought process and how players can develop to his worst
fears. He's always looking forward. He's never governed by fear.
The football club was never governed by fear a long way before Arsène was here, and that's why I think we all get on so well.
I
think he could stay on longer, absolutely he could. We haven't
discussed it yet but I believe he could. He's fit, 62 years old, he's in
fantastic shape and he's as driven as he's ever been, as enthusiastic
and excited as ever and I feel he can keep going for a long time.
Can you keep your top players happy and on top contracts at the club in Premier League terms?
I
think we have to have a team that is competing at the top of the game, a
team which represents modern Arsenal and to do that we've got to
manager our player contracts well. We've got to be responsive to the
marketplace even when they're governed by factors we can't control.
We
give that a lot of thought and broadly we make good decisions that are
within the responsible financial capability of the club which is
growing, our financial capability is growing.
But we're very
disciplined about not making decisions which may jeopardise that and I
understand that, at times, that can be frustrating.
But the club
is on a really positive path, it's really healthy, we've got a really
healthy squad and the foundation and the lifeblood of that is the young
players who come through.
A year ago, no-one was talking about Oxlade-Chamberlain. Two years ago no-one was talking about .Jack and Gibbs is another example. We give young players a chance.
You
go through the transfer window and there is a near hysterical
environment created where the only measure of potential and success is
how much a club spends on transfer fees. I don't want to say that's not
relevant, it's one of the relevant factors in how a club can succeed.
But
a club's success is far far more complicated and multi-layered than how
much you spend on transfer fees in a transfer window. Balancing al of
those factors is something Arsène does really really well.
Lots
of players are on big money throughout the squad. Do you need to
restructure to keep the stellar players happy and on big contracts?
We
have a wage structure which we think works for us, it's not fixed in
stone - we adapt it over time. There are no absolute hard and fast
rules. We look at situations not just individually but in the context of
the whole, in the context of what we are trying to do. We are adaptive
and, in the end, our performance against our spend is judged on the
pitch every year and I think we have got an excellent record.
Can you compete like that? Should you be paying more?
We
are an incredibly transparent football club. We publish our accounts
and they get analysed. I don't think there is a big secret what our
financial capability is. We are also very explicit about the fact that
we live within our means. There is no great mystery about this. Can we
compete at top salary levels? Yes we can, but we have an ethos at the
club - the way Arsène expresses it is that it is not about individual
players, it is what happens between them.
The way we train, the
way we play is all about passing, communication, movement, intelligence,
anticipation and technical execution. All of these types of things, it
is very much a team ethos. I think it is one of the things that makes us
resilient to the loss of an individual player and, over time, we have
seen Arsenal lose some really significant players but bounce back
strongly.
That's not something that just happens by accident. It
doesn't happen by accident that Ian Wright is succeeded by a Thierry
Henry is succeeded by an Adebayor is succeeded by a van Persie. It is
not just happy coincidence. It is part of the ethos of the club, very
much based around a team, very much based around giving young players an
opportunity to step up and step forward and show what they can do.
We
give a lot of thought to our wage structure. Within an overall
constraint, if you are paying four or five players superstar wages, it
restricts what you are able to do with other players and there are no
hard and fast rules on any of that. We think very very carefully about
it and there is a pretty hard and fast measured stick by which you can
judge or overall decisions over time.
Can Financial Fair Play work in England and in Europe?
I
think the perception of FFP at the moment is lagging behind the
reality. I think there is a perception that Michele Platini devised an
evil plan in his bath to go after English football. That's just simply
not the case.
The FFP proposals were developed by Uefa in very
close consultation with the ECA representing clubs all across Europe. An
incredible amount of work went into those regulations.
They were
endorsed and supported by football clubs. They are not rules coming
down on high, they are actually rules the clubs themselves developed in
conjunction with Uefa and absolutely support. Not only do we see that
at the European level, but we are seeing support for this type of
regulation in the Football League, we are seeing very serious
discussions within the Premier League about introducing these
regulations domestically.
Some form of financial regulation has
extremely broad support among the Premier League clubs. So, I would be
less optimistic if the rules were not being generated by football clubs
themselves.
Football clubs are demanding that football has a more
sustainable environment. We have enormous amounts of revenue and
increasing revenue being generating by the game. But we still have an
environment where all of that money and more than just the additional
money that is being generated is being spent. That creates an
unsustainable environment. We can see consequences all across the game,
in England and overseas.
Clubs are crying out for some kind of
stability, some kind of predictability, some kind of regulation that
will allow more clubs to compete and more clubs to develop themselves
through more than simply on players. Spending on player development,
spending of stadiums for example.
All of those sentiments are
enshrined in those FFP regulations and I think the closer you get to
decision makers in the game, you hear not just an acceptance of those
regulations but an endorsement of them and an expectation that they will
be strictly enforced. That is the expectation in the game, that is the
expectation that Uefa are delivering and increasingly that is what clubs
in the Premier League are demanding.
I always have a healthy
scepticism but very optimistic that we are going to see football moving
into an era of more responsibility that will be really healthy for the
game and really healthy for supporters who won't have to have the kind
of concerns they have had about the financial health of their football
clubs.
And then we can get on to playing the game and that is what we really want to see.
Is it a positive sign that the Premier League clubs seem happy to embrace it and bring in their own FFP rules?
I
think it's a result of a realisation of where does all this end? What's
the end game in just simply seeing ever increasing, spiralling
spending. Many owners are saying, how can I stay involved?
Owners
are also finding that they can't find good custodians for their
football club to come in. Who would want to get involved in an
environment when you are going to have compete and, along the way,
probably be vilified. It's not the most attractive proposition.
At
the end of the day I think I would rather be buying a season ticket. I
do think the way football is moving towards an environment in which you
don't have to lose enormous amounts of money, where you can break even
means that we are more likely to have more local owners who can be
involved. Far more interest from good ownership from around the world.
I
think in the longer term that will mean better ownership, more
responsible ownership from football clubs. I think fans of the game will
benefit from that environment. It's a really healthy development.
I
think more and more people are recognising the benefits. It's become
mainstream. There are very few voices, very few, who are speaking out
about FFP. I'm not even sure I know any. They are in the wilderness at
this point. It's going to happen and it is happening faster than people
realis
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